Bocephus and Shelton

[hanksplace1962]

I was wondering if anybody knows why Bocephus andShelton don't tour together. I think that would be a good concert. Please respond. :?:

[VA. Rebel]

I'm not sure of the detail's. There is some kind of family rift going on.
Not sure if it has to do with Curb Records and Hank III's unreleased material. I heard something about it to that effect. There is more to it I'm sure. It is Family business not mine. Hope they work it out though.

[good ol' boy]

i've heard ever since he was little he hasn't gottin' along with his dad. something to with his parents splittin'. don't know if it's true. could be all a rumor.

[rockinrandallfan2]

Yeah its kinda weird b/c III looks, sings and lives just like Sr.
to quote Minnie Pearl "Lord you're the ghost of your grandaddy." Maybe if he has a son he will be just like Hank Jr. I just hope he doesn't name him Hank Williams 4.

[david gilchrist]

SHELTON IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TALENT I HAVE EVER SEEN. TO BAD HE DOES NOT REALY LIKE COUNTRY MUSIC BECAUSE HE COULD BE GREAT!!!!

[Atlanta_Tider]

SHELTON IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TALENT I HAVE EVER SEEN. TO BAD HE DOES NOT REALY LIKE COUNTRY MUSIC BECAUSE HE COULD BE GREAT!!!!Waste of talent????????? Thats the dumbest damn thing I have heard in weeks.......

[2hankfan]

SHELTON IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TALENT I HAVE EVER SEEN. TO BAD HE DOES NOT REALY LIKE COUNTRY MUSIC BECAUSE HE COULD BE GREAT!!!!

David,
Do a little more research. Pick up a copy of "Broke, Lovesick, and Driftin'". It is pure country gold. Shelton loves country music, and metal. He has song writing ability that's typical of the Williams family. He really needs to just get out of curb records, and find a label that will let him do his own thang.

[hiteckredneck50]

I read Davids post. I don't think he meant any harm and i just took it as how I sometimes feel. Those two CD's Hank 3 put out were some of the best i have in my collection. He has a load of talent, it just isn't geared towards what we like the most, it's geared towards what he likes. And thats his decision not mine.

I know and things ;he he

[alabamaredneck]

SHELTON IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TALENT I HAVE EVER SEEN. TO BAD HE DOES NOT REALY LIKE COUNTRY MUSIC BECAUSE HE COULD BE GREAT!!!!

Hey assclown check out these quotes... abou III

"You know the man's gonna make some crazy music. Anybody that don't get it, best be movin on".
-Wayne Hancock, Bloodshot Records recording artist

"Like every Hank in his family, Hank III has alot of Hank Sr. in him, a lot of Jr. in him and helluva lot of his own God given fire in him. He is as important to this generation of music lovers as his roots would predict. Hank III is a dose of Hard Core reality you won't find in today's candy assed country music." -Dale Watson


"Hank Williams III is a true p-ro-fessional!! He's doing country music's dirty work by tellin' the shit-bird-pop-country-****-heads to suck it, and he's gettin' the word out of who you really should be listening to. I admire him for his ability to keep on the road as much as he does. The
The road wears you down, but he just keeps on keepin' on."
-Scott H. Biram, Austin Chronicle Musician of the Year 2003


Hank is one of the most honest and pure musicians I know. Everything he does is completely rooted in his genuine love of the music above all else. That's not as common as some might think. For him to carry on his family legacy so successfully, without compromising his individuality as an artist is absolutely amazing."
-Mark Morton, guitarist, Lamb Of God

"III is one of the most talented, down to earth people that anyone could ever know. He has the ability to either touch your soul with true oldschool country, or rip your ****ing face off with his heavy stuff."
-Jamie Moore, vocals, Demonseed.

[VA. Rebel]

I love III's Damn Band. Risin' Outlaw and Lovesick.. are great c.d's.
I can't wait for his next release,which should be this summer.
The Assjack stuff I can deal without, I used to be into the heavier stuff at one time also.

[CorsicanRedneck]

I love III country CDs. Right now I'm blue and ****ing drunk and the honky-tonk songs of III are great!
:nopity:

[ramblin man]

i seem to remember another williams that went into his 20's trying to find his own voice, and sound, and doing off the wall music, and duplicating some family tradition....running from ghosts...anyone remember his name...a friend of mine knows him, has opened for him, and he's a hell of a muscician...give him time...

[david gilchrist]

Just my opinion . I have both of sheltons albums and I like them both. He sounds great on them but shelton does not like the albums. He did not promote either album. He is better than all the younger artists but he will never make it big if he doesnt play the game a little. You cant put out an album and then trash it. I read the interview were he statesRising outlaw was trash. Thats why I think he is wasting his talent.

[Walktallshin]

People always compared Hank Jr. to his father Hank Sr. Not many people in the music business has had such pressure put on them, ie. as the Williams family has. From my understanding Hank Jr. started making his own road in music when he did Hank Jr. and Friends. I respect the fact that Bocephus' dad is the one if not the greatest, and the King of Country. I also respect that Jr. is right there with his daddy. Hank III is great and will always be, look what he has ahead of him. First, people want to compare him to his grandfather, and his father. Put that pressure on your back and carry it for awhile in the music business. Hank III is from a legendary family, and he may have a legacy to live up to, but let the boy alone and let him sing his songs... Just my opinion..

Also I don't consider him a waste of talent. He's got the same blood in him, he'll make a good living at being a country music singer, and my hat is off to him. I look forward to many years of listening to him just like I have Hank Sr., and Hank Jr. Don't worry he'll kick some footlights out, he'll bend the guitar strings, and he'll be just as good as his grandfather, and father...

Jr.

[2hankfan]

Just my opinion . I have both of sheltons albums and I like them both. He sounds great on them but shelton does not like the albums. He did not promote either album. He is better than all the younger artists but he will never make it big if he doesnt play the game a little. You cant put out an album and then trash it. I read the interview were he statesRising outlaw was trash. Thats why I think he is wasting his talent.

Actually, I think you have a slight mistake in your facts. Shelton doesn't like his album he did with his dad called, "Three Hanks". And he doesn't like Risin' outlaw either. Those are the two albums he don't like. But Broke, lovesick, and driftin' is a little more of his own style. I think he is quite proud of that one.

[rebel cowboy]

ok

[rebel cowboy]

Ive listened to country music a long time I think Bocephus is I believe its hank jr right? And are blake sheldon and the williams realated? ( sorry I know there dumb questins)

[Piggy]

Bocephus is Hank Jr.
As far as I know Blake Shelton is not related to the Williams, but Hank III is Shelton, maybe that is what mixed you up...

The only dumb questions are the ones you dont ask :D

WELCOME TO THE BOARD :D

[hank_williams1]

I think he was bein a smart ass or he is a stupid m'fer.

[good ol' boy]

I think he was bein a smart ass or he is a stupid m'fer.
hope to god so!!

[Dawniev]

If ya dont know who Bocephus is What the Hell you doing on the Board?

[bamababy]

Just my opinion . I have both of sheltons albums and I like them both. He sounds great on them but shelton does not like the albums. He did not promote either album. He is better than all the younger artists but he will never make it big if he doesnt play the game a little. You cant put out an album and then trash it. I read the interview were he statesRising outlaw was trash. Thats why I think he is wasting his talent.

That's just it he don't want to play the game. He don't care if he never makes it big, he's not in it for the money he's in it because he loves music all kinds and in my book that makes him a whole lot better than anybody who would sell out for money. Ya think Sr. was in it to play the game, don't think so .

[Southernbelle38]

We had this same discussion in a theory class I took last semester, and I totally agree with Walktallshin...Sheltion is definitely not a waste of talent...what you choose to do with your talent is your business and yours alone. No, he may not like the records he made for Curb, maybe he thought there was too much outside control on the material or sound, who knows? But the point is, just like Walktallshin said, he's a Williams Man. There is something so deeply musical in the blood, all three men are/were brilliant in their own ways. Bamababy also has a great point, Shelton is not one of these bubblegum '70's pop singers that we have in country music today, he's a REAL musician, out for the love of it. You don't see too much of that these days. I have all the respect in the world for him, after all, how do you overcome all of the stardom your dad and grandpa achieved and be your own man, make your own sound? It's takes guts.

[Walktallshin]

I couldn't agree with you more Southernbelle38. If Shelton did it their way (the record lables, and producers) he would be just another puppet on a string. However, as we all know Hank's III music is in your face type of music. I think he gets that from his daddy, Bocephus. It doesn't matter what the critics think. They don't know nothing anyway. Years from now we'll be seeing Hank III building a legacy just like his grandfather, and father. I guess my point is, that they don't try to build a legacy. Through their life experiences they live in a lot of ways of what they sing about. For the ones that think Hank III aint going to make, I'll bet my last dollar he does.. He's carrying on a "Family Tradition!!!

Jr.

[2hankfan]

I gotta correct you guys on something. He doesn't like the 2 albums called, Risin' outlaw, and The three Hanks. But his third album, Broke, Lovesick, and Driftin' is the one album he does like, even though it's with Curb records. He was able to put a little more of his "own" sound into that one.

[rebel cowboy]

If ya dont know who Bocephus is What the Hell you doing on the Board? I have allways called him hank not bocephus

[VA. Rebel]

If ya dont know who Bocephus is What the Hell you doing on the Board? I have allways called him hank not bocephus

When I hear just Hank I think of Sr., Bocephus or Jr. and III for well.. III
And it's funny because thats not either of their real first names. :lol:

[hank_williams1]

There's no way in hell he did'nt know people call hank jr bocephus when it all over this web site and in alot of his songs and merchandise.

[Bocephusfan07]

HAHAHAHAHAHA LOL LOL LOL . Ok Ok Ok I'm good now I just had to get a good laugh out of what rebel cowboy said. Ok I think I am good now HAHAHAHAHA LOL I guess not just give me a minute I guess.

[rebel cowboy]

I just wanted to be sure

[Attitude Adjuster]

He sure does look like his grand daddy, sounds like him too when he wants but to be honest I bought one of his cd's and won't buy anymore, i agree he's a waste of talent. But it's his to waste and I wish him good luck where ever he decide's to go in life.

[Walktallshin]

I respect your opinion, but I respectfully disagree that Hank III is a waste of talent. People wanted to compare Hank Sr. and Hank Jr. Some said he wouldn't be as good as his daddy. Now some people are saying that Hank III is a waste of talent. I think some people say that, becaue Shelton is doing it his way to some extent. Living in the shadow of not just one famous country music singer, but Two of them seems to me Hank III just may have double the pressure that his daddy, Bocephus had trying to be his own person.

From a business standpoint, both CMA, and ACM, standards have gone to you know where in a hand bag. These people wouldn't know good talent if if kicked them right in the a**... My point being, Hank III doesn't fit the so-called Nashville mold..

How about Hank Jr., Hank III, and Shooter doing a concert together? I bet my bottom dollar it would be a sell-out..

He's carrying on a "Family Tradition." I think we ought to leave that boy alone and let him sing his song.

;get ;rock ;co

Jr.

[Southernbelle38]

I totally respect everyone's opinions, but think about this......if it had not been for the pioneers of every genre of music, we would have absolutely no variety. Think about it-Without all of those people who created their own sound, different forms of music wouldn't exist. Ray Charles took his Gospel, Country, and Blues roots and mixed them to form probably one of the greatest albums ever, "Modern Sounds of Country and Western Music". He became one of the worlds most beloved icons. Think about all of those people that are admired for whatever reason, they aren't admired because they did what what everyone else did. I truly believe that creative freedom and originality is what this country is all about. Maybe I'm out of line or I just don't get it, but it is for those reasons that I love Bocephus as much as I do-He's an orginal. There is absolutely nothing fake about him, there is no facade. He's the epitome of originality God Bless III for continuing that family tradition.

[rebel cowboy]

I think he has talent its just not in country music

[sonofthesouth8]

SHELTON IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TALENT I HAVE EVER SEEN. TO BAD HE DOES NOT REALY LIKE COUNTRY MUSIC BECAUSE HE COULD BE GREAT!!!!

thats a pretty uninformed oppinion..... shelton has some GREAT music.... in fact i would rather hear shelton's music than the watered down music jr is puttin out nowadays (not to say that i dont like jr.... i really love his older music and will always go see his concerts.... i just feel his newer music has a lot less soul than the older music.... almost like he's doin it now for the money and not the love of it)..... shelton is REAL country and you wont see him on cmt or hear him on the radio cause its not all pollished up and pretty its real, dirty country

[Southernbelle38]

I understand that everyone is entitled to your opinion...but I really have to disagree. Granted, things change with time, including good music. Did you not get a copy of "The Almeria Club"? Hank Jr has more soul in his pinky finger than 98% of these bubblegum pop singers they call country singers these days. Did you miss,"I'm One of You" or "A Cross on the Side of the Highway'? What about "Waylon's Guitar"? The Tee-Tot Song? What am I missing?

[Rebel Son]

.... almost like he's doin it now for the money and not the love of it).....
I tend to disagree with you there, sonofthesouth. If anything, I'd say he keeps doing it for the fans, and he does it on his own terms (meaning that he records what he likes, and only plays as many shows as he wants to). He doesn't need the money. Ya'll may have seen an interview on CMT, where Hank said, "Everybody knows that this is number 1 with me now." This referred to his family.

I don't mean any disrespect to you with this question, but what would you have him do? Curl up and retire like Garth Brooks? :?

[sonofthesouth8]

.... almost like he's doin it now for the money and not the love of it).....
I tend to disagree with you there, sonofthesouth. If anything, I'd say he keeps doing it for the fans, and he does it on his own terms (meaning that he records what he likes, and only plays as many shows as he wants to). He doesn't need the money. Ya'll may have seen an interview on CMT, where Hank said, "Everybody knows that this is number 1 with me now." This referred to his family.

I don't mean any disrespect to you with this question, but what would you have him do? Curl up and retire like Garth Brooks? :?

no disrespect taken..... but i would rather him retire than to become more of a parody to his roots.... i feel like he's is more of a cartoon nowadays than a true musician..... im just sayin all this 'are you ready for some football' and kid rock stuff is bullshit..... i love the true music he has put out (even recent gems like waylon's guitar and a few others) but its kinda like watching richard petty win 200 races and then run awfully bad for 10 years before retiring..... in shelton's words "i wanna tell jr that he used to be THE outlaw and id like to remind him that he wrote whiskey bent and hell bound" .....

[Rebel Son]

I just don't even know what to say to that. I mean, it seems like you are being sincere, so I'm not going to blast you out over voicing your opinion, but I just think it's wrong, wrong, wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that you have never been to a Hank Jr. show. If you have then correct me, but I just don't see how you could say those things after experiencing the true musicianship that Hank is packing.

Damn, I bet there was probably somebody who said the same things about Waylon, or Johnny. You might as well know that you're not going to get much support from folks around here on that opinion. :?

[sonofthesouth8]

I just don't even know what to say to that. I mean, it seems like you are being sincere, so I'm not going to blast you out over voicing your opinion, but I just think it's wrong, wrong, wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that you have never been to a Hank Jr. show. If you have then correct me, but I just don't see how you could say those things after experiencing the true musicianship that Hank is packing.

Damn, I bet there was probably somebody who said the same things about Waylon, or Johnny. You might as well know that you're not going to get much support from folks around here on that opinion. :?

i have seen a hank jr show a few years back and i had a blast and it was a great show it was just after stormy came out (and if i remember correctly he didnt do a single song off that cd which made me think that maybe he realizes the newer music is not on the same level as the older stuff).... and i realize he is one helluva musician (i mean he played every instrument on the stage when i saw him live) im just sayin why i feel that shelton is a better artist at this point in time.... all im sayin is i feel that jr is past his prime and III is on his way to hittin his.... im not knockin Jr.... just voicing my oppinion.... i appreciate you lettin me say whats on my mind..... im not here to talk shit about jr just talkin about the fact that i think III is better.... however i do like both.... i think everyone who has never heard hank III's music you should check him out you can download free concerts here in mp3 form (and shelton has no problem with it in fact he endorses it)

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=24757
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=22742

between these two shows you can hear him do the conversation, if you dont like hank williams, and all my rowdy friends have settled down.... plus all of his own songs as well as others by DAC, the misfits and others

[Bob Terry]

Quote" Just leave the boy alone and let him sing his songs" unquote.

I just think it isn't no one's business

[rebelchild76]

Hey Guys and Gals,
You know one of the biggest reasons in the world to love Hank Jr. is because he is his own man and we love what he does, and Im pretty sure we all have his old stuff, (remakes of his daddys music) but I bet we don't play it half as much as a "BOCEPHUS" cd. Jr. wasn't Sr. and the III ain't going to be Jr. Know what I mean. If we expect it from him we are as bad as the people who wanted to hold Hank Jr back from what we know and love. He may never play like his dad but lets give Hank III a little respect and let him do his thing, hell we don't have to buy it, we don't even have to listen to it if we don't want too. Because now honestly, theere can be only ONE ......Hank Williams Jr...Bocephus....Rockin' Randell.....and thats all we will ever need.
Secondly.... ""anyone who don't like Hank Jr they can kiss my ass""
His first concern now is his family, which should be anyones, his music ain't hard core now cause he ain't as "bad" as he use to be, but he's still got it, besides Habits Old and New I personally think "I'm One of You" is one of his best albums ever. His gotten older and found roots but other then that he's still The Man. He's still got it!
rebelchild76

[Bama1966]

Hey Guys and Gals,
You know one of the biggest reasons in the world to love Hank Jr. is because he is his own man and we love what he does, and Im pretty sure we all have his old stuff, (remakes of his daddys music) but I bet we don't play it half as much as a "BOCEPHUS" cd. Jr. wasn't Sr. and the III ain't going to be Jr. Know what I mean. If we expect it from him we are as bad as the people who wanted to hold Hank Jr back from what we know and love. He may never play like his dad but lets give Hank III a little respect and let him do his thing, hell we don't have to buy it, we don't even have to listen to it if we don't want too. Because now honestly, theere can be only ONE ......Hank Williams Jr...Bocephus....Rockin' Randell.....and thats all we will ever need.
Secondly.... ""anyone who don't like Hank Jr they can kiss my ass""
His first concern now is his family, which should be anyones, his music ain't hard core now cause he ain't as "bad" as he use to be, but he's still got it, besides Habits Old and New I personally think "I'm One of You" is one of his best albums ever. His gotten older and found roots but other then that he's still The Man. He's still got it!
rebelchild76

Good Post.


I personally like all 3 Hanks, Hell I like Holly's music too.

I like Bocephus the best cause I grew up with his music. Think about it, when Hank Jr started out, this same type of "who is better" BS started up and people thought Jr was a copy-cat. He redefined himself and did his own thing and now is a living legend. The man is a Icon, plain and simple. He still puts out great music and as long as he is putting it out, I am buying it.

So if Hank 3 can accomplish that feat, then I am all for it. I would like nothing more than for Hank 3 to keep the generation of Williams's blood flowing. More power to him.

In summary, respectfully, I really dont think there is any comparison. Hank Williams Jr has recorded more music and better music than any entertainer I can think of. Hank Williams Jr is like a bottle of Bourbon, he gets better with age IMHO. Hank Williams Jr is the Man! Just my 2 cents.

[cashonlyj]

And thats the way it is like it or not you got that right on the money nothen more to say. ;he he

[rebel cowboy]

The songs when sheldon actualy sings and doesnt scream are really good in my opinion

[sonofthesouth8]

The songs when sheldon actualy sings and doesnt scream are really good in my opinion

shelton is a great singer and an even better songwriter..... some folks dont like the punk/metal/hardcore stuff he does and some do.... so at his shows he plays an hour or so of country first and then lets everybody know that he will be back in 10 minutes and that they are gonna tear the place down and those that dont like it should leave.... i like it all and lots of his other fans do too..... but i do understand why people could be turned off by the jeckyl and hyde sets he does.... i just feel like im gettin more for my money when i get to see 1 or 2 openers (and shelton usually picks really good bands to tour with him) then an hour of some of the best country music you will ever hear and then a half hour of hellbilly (which is kinda like a psychobilly/cowpunk kinda thing) and then an hour of assjack.... all for about 20.00 bucks all in an up close and personal club atmosphere and then after the show he comes into the crowd (almost every night and talks to his fans and signs autographs until everyone is happy..... you cant beat that with a stick. \m/

leave them boys alone and let em sing their songs and things :lol:

[2hankfan]

Ya know, there was a time in country music when Shelton would have been cherished just like his grandfather. He has proven his talent, that's for sure. The fact that he has struggles is just another reminder that something is dreadfully wrong with country music. It just plain got too money driven.

[Rebel Son]

Ya know, there was a time in country music when Shelton would have been cherished just like his grandfather. He has proven his talent, that's for sure. The fact that he has struggles is just another reminder that something is dreadfully wrong with country music. It just plain got too money driven.
You are exactly right, sir. Couldn't have put it better myself. :?

[sonofthesouth8]

Ya know, there was a time in country music when Shelton would have been cherished just like his grandfather. He has proven his talent, that's for sure. The fact that he has struggles is just another reminder that something is dreadfully wrong with country music. It just plain got too money driven.

thats exactly right!..... in the words of DAC "you could go to nashville today with the song "your cheatin heart" and they would turn you away..... cause it aint sexy enough or pretty enough for them" and in the words of shelton "they say that im ill mannered, that im gonna self distruct, but if you know what im thinkin you'll know that pop cuntry really sucks!!!!; so im here to put the dick in dixie and the cunt back in country, cause if you knew what im thinkin, you'll know that popcountry really sucks!!!!"

[sonofthesouth8]

leave them boys alone and let em sing their songs and things :lol:

HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!

[cashonlyj]

Shelton was on outlaw country radio they were talkin to him and playing his song .He was havin fun you could tell talkin about the music bus.Iam going to get some of his music that boy can sing.You can hear a lot of his grand paw and daddy in him they had him on there for about a hour .

[leebm]

Shelton is the man and anyone who thinks different can kiss my ass

[2MidnightRiders]

Hank is the man and anyone who thinks differently can kiss my ass... :D

[stonewall]

:lol:

[Piggy]

Hank is the man and anyone who thinks differently can kiss my ass... :D

Bend over, I wanna kiss your ass anyway :lol: :lol:

[stonewall]

:roll:

[sonofthesouth8]

Shelton was on outlaw country radio they were talkin to him and playing his song .He was havin fun you could tell talkin about the music bus.Iam going to get some of his music that boy can sing.You can hear a lot of his grand paw and daddy in him they had him on there for about a hour .

you need to go see him live!!! im goin to see him sept 4th in winston salem NC.... great shows always!!!!

[2MidnightRiders]

Hank is the man and anyone who thinks differently can kiss my ass... :D

Bend over, I wanna kiss your ass anyway :lol: :lol:

Bending... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bama1966]

:shock: :shock: :shock:

[Walktallshin]

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Me to Mr. Bama :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:

[cashonlyj]

I live here in florida I think he was here last year if he comes back before we move to Tenn. Iam going .