73 days and counting...

[Rebel Son]

"When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe... only then will you discover that you cannot eat money."

~Cree Indian Prophecy

I am so sad about this STUPID, avoidable oil spill. :mad: I've read that if the relief wells don't work, then there is no Plan B (or plan c, or d, or whichever plan we are on now). They say the oil will be spewing for 2 to 4 years. :? Will somebody please tell me that I am over-reacting? Will someone tell me that it will be OK? Cause to me, it seems like we need Bruce Willis to come and save the world, or else we're doomed.

I know it's a big ocean, and it will eventually heal itself. But I had kinda planned on using it, while I am still alive. :roll:

[Adam]

I love fresh gulf seafood, it looks like I may never get any again, Thanks BP. Not to mention all the fishermen and sellers going under I would say someone needs to be shot over this but it would be a waste of a good bullet.

[hankfan1972]

I heard yesterday that the BP's in the Birmingham Area has already seen a 60% decrease in business.

[Rebel Son]

^^ And their stock has fallen, too. Just watch>> :roll: They'll probably go bankrupt before this mess is cleaned, and then the bill will fall to us taxpayers.

[madison069]

I heard yesterday that the BP's in the Birmingham Area has already seen a 60% decrease in business.


Just so ya'll realize, the BP gas station doesn't buy gas from BP. They just lease the name from the company.

So in other words you are hurting the owner of the store by not buying gas there instead of BP.

The gas at BP is the same gas at Fina, Chevron, Aamoco, and so on that is sold in your area.

[madison069]

"When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe... only then will you discover that you cannot eat money."

~Cree Indian Prophecy

I am so sad about this STUPID, avoidable oil spill. :mad: I've read that if the relief wells don't work, then there is no Plan B (or plan c, or d, or whichever plan we are on now). They say the oil will be spewing for 2 to 4 years. :? Will somebody please tell me that I am over-reacting? Will someone tell me that it will be OK? Cause to me, it seems like we need Bruce Willis to come and save the world, or else we're doomed.

I know it's a big ocean, and it will eventually heal itself. But I had kinda planned on using it, while I am still alive. :roll:



Go ahead and add 30-45 more days to your count down cause the relief well will not hit the original well until August.

Also when the relief well is finished they will run a plug down the the blowout well and plug the well off. Then more then likely replace the damaged BOP and go back in and fix the problem.

[madison069]

Oh and I buy gas from BP cause everyone else is not buying from them and that's hurting the little man that owns that store.

People drives me nuts on how they process their thoughts of actions.

"Hey don't buy gas from BP station, they destroying our Ocean. You buy gas from BP gas station you are supporting them!" :roll:;bs

All the while I'm pumping gas in my car from the BP station and the local news is filming it.

[BoogieWoogie]

Just so ya'll realize, the BP gas station doesn't buy gas from BP. They just lease the name from the company.

So in other words you are hurting the owner of the store by not buying gas there instead of BP.

The gas at BP is the same gas at Fina, Chevron, Aamoco, and so on that is sold in your area.

It depends on the allotment (at least, here in Mississippi it does), but in general, you're right. There's no guarantee that you're getting BP gas when you pump from a BP station, or that you're getting Shell gas from a Shell station, etc.

I understand being pissed at BP; I'm not exactly thrilled over this thing myself, and I believe its their responsibility to clean up their mess. But like madison069 says, don't screw over the guy that owns the store trying to make a point to corporate BP. It doesn't work that way.

[hiteckredneck50]

Back to rebelson's original post. this bad, it's as bad as it gets. look at all the people and animals this is going to affect. businesses will go under, hotels will lose money, and so on and so on, i don't live near the gulf but have vacationed there numerous times. I really hate this for those folks.

[madison069]

It depends on the allotment (at least, here in Mississippi it does), but in general, you're right. There's no guarantee that you're getting BP gas when you pump from a BP station, or that you're getting Shell gas from a Shell station, etc.




Yep, most of the oil that is produce goes to a central location and is sent to refineries through out the country. So if the only refinery in your area is a BP refinery then you are buying BP refined gas no matter where you go in that area. Just like in Big Spring, TX it's Fina or Chevron, not sure right now, but that refinery provide gas for all of the gas stations in that area. All of that advertisement that gas station does saying their gas is better because this is added to it, is a big scam. They just focus on one ingredient in the chemical make up of the gas and has a copyright in place to keep other stations from using that point of advertisement or go against their point.

The best thing to do when deciding what gas station to buy from is look at the location. Is the gas cover properly covered and sealed, is the store clean, does a lot of cars buy gas there and you see a refill truck there often. These are signs of a good station that has clean gas that's free of contamination.

[madison069]

Back to rebelson's original post. this bad, it's as bad as it gets. look at all the people and animals this is going to affect. businesses will go under, hotels will lose money, and so on and so on, i don't live near the gulf but have vacationed there numerous times. I really hate this for those folks.

Don't get me wrong, I hate seeing this going on, but this is part of the oil field and this is one of the extreme situation we have dealt with in ocean. This has happened on land but it was always contained and damage control was easily taken care of, so people don't know about all of them due to the quick action in place. But being so deep in the ocean it's extremely hard to do anything but what's going on right now.


I say strike a match and let it all burn while boat pumpers keep it contained from the beach and other ocean rigs.

[hankfan1972]

Ok. Good points by Boogie and Madison. But I never bought BP anyway, I just said what I had heard. I remember the Exxon Spill back in 89 and people reacted the same way. These days there is just more media outlets and people are pissed.

[madison069]

I am so sad about this STUPID, avoidable oil spill. :mad:



Avoidable you say, if there is a demand then there will be drilling. Look in the mirror and you will see the root of the problem. Heck I'm guilty too cause I rather use gas then other source of energy due to it's efficiencies compare to electric and steam power transportation.

But due to the demand of "Low Price Gas". They do it the cheapest and safest way they can, but somewhere in the chain of command someone made a bad call and they are paying for it I'm sure. The CEO of BP isn't the full blame on this whole mess. He is a PR type of guy, he don't make the little calls he just make the big calls in the company. The people below him makes the little calls but their decision effect the CEO more then anybody cause everybody want to get the top guy cause he has all of the money and suppose to know everything.

Instead everyone should be going for the little guy who messed up and made the crappy call of cutting corners and disregarding company's policies.

[Rebel Son]

Avoidable you say, if there is a demand then there will be drilling.
I am not against drilling. I am against drilling without a plan, without having MULTIPLE safety checks in place. :? I could not have made a bigger mess myself, if I had personally decided to go out and drill a hole in the ocean floor.

They had 1 emergency cut-off valve. ;insane ONE. (And it was damaged to the point where it didn't work.) There is no excuse for that, and that is what I meant when I said it was avoidable. You just don't go drilling, without expecting that something will go wrong someday. They had to know this would happen eventually, but they were gambling that it wouldn't.

[madison069]

I am not against drilling. I am against drilling without a plan, without having MULTIPLE safety checks in place. :? I could not have made a bigger mess myself, if I had personally decided to go out and drill a hole in the ocean floor.

They had 1 emergency cut-off valve. ;insane ONE. (And it was damaged to the point where it didn't work.) There is no excuse for that, and that is what I meant when I said it was avoidable. You just don't go drilling, without expecting that something will go wrong someday. They had to know this would happen eventually, but they were gambling that it wouldn't.

Their is multiple safety checks, but when the BOP was ruled damaged and the coast guard sunk the rig, it wiped all safety control from this well.

[Rebel Son]

Their is multiple safety checks, but when the BOP was ruled damaged and the coast guard sunk the rig, it wiped all safety control from this well.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but... :lol: WHY was their only 1 blow-out preventer? Doesn't your car have an emergency brake, in addition to the regular brakes? And bigger trucks have even more failsafes.

At the gas station, there are 2 emergency stop valves (1 inside and 1 outside), just in case a pump handle gets damaged.

At the hospital, they have a backup generator, because they KNOW it's only a matter of time until the power goes out.

When they launch the Space Shuttle, they have multiple landing sites, just in case something goes wrong.

I could go on and on. :shock: The whole world is filled with examples of how mankind anticipates a failure, and invents multiple ways to stop it. Everybody, that is, except oil rigs?? ;insane And I'm not just blaming BP. The entire industry (and government) should have known better than to settle for 1 BOP. That is insane!

In my opinion, they should have put a BOP right where the pipe emerges from the ocean floor. That way, even if the whole structure sinks (as it did), you still have a failsafe. Frankly, if I had understood that there was only 1 failsafe, I would have been against off-shore drilling. :?

[hankfan1972]

Didn't this post used to be titled 71 days and counting;scr

[Rebel Son]

Didn't this post used to be titled 71 days and counting;scr
;roflmao You are a very keen observer. I figured I might as well keep it current. :lol: It will be interesting to see just how many days this drags on.

[madison069]

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but... :lol: WHY was their only 1 blow-out preventer? Doesn't your car have an emergency brake, in addition to the regular brakes? And bigger trucks have even more failsafes.

At the gas station, there are 2 emergency stop valves (1 inside and 1 outside), just in case a pump handle gets damaged.

At the hospital, they have a backup generator, because they KNOW it's only a matter of time until the power goes out.

When they launch the Space Shuttle, they have multiple landing sites, just in case something goes wrong.

I could go on and on. :shock: The whole world is filled with examples of how mankind anticipates a failure, and invents multiple ways to stop it. Everybody, that is, except oil rigs?? ;insane And I'm not just blaming BP. The entire industry (and government) should have known better than to settle for 1 BOP. That is insane!

In my opinion, they should have put a BOP right where the pipe emerges from the ocean floor. That way, even if the whole structure sinks (as it did), you still have a failsafe. Frankly, if I had understood that there was only 1 failsafe, I would have been against off-shore drilling. :?


A BOP is consist of 3 different style of valves, not 1. With a fully erected riser there was the mud to control the well with hydrostatic pressure, but when the coast guard flooded the rig and didn't let it burn like it was designed to, in the process they destroyed the riser. Also there are hoses hooked up to the BOP that will allow mud to be pushed in, but it's pointless without the riser as the mud will go to the weakest point and without the riser the top of the BOP is the weakest point.

But like I said, with the malfunctioned BOP and the Damaged Riser there isn't much they can do.

There is not just 1 fail safe, but due to the chain of event it happened just right that all of the fail safes was damaged.

If the hospital don't keep the generator up it will fail, if the gas station valves get hit in a car crash they both get damaged, If the whole world is under a freak storm where there is no safe landing for the shuttle then there will be no fail safe plans.

Like I said, this incident is one of those freak incident that can happen but it never usually does, which is why you never heard of the other past failures that has happened on oil rigs. Because usually one of the fail safe was there to stop it.

See where I'm getting at? It one of those things that if the perfect chain of event ever happened then there is nothing in the world that will be able to stop it quickly.

Also the BOP is on the pipe at the ocean floor, not on the rig. It is physically attached the the surface casing which is what the intermediate casing is cemented to on the inside of the surface casing. Then the Production casing is cemented to the intermediate casing creating a sealed system. But they have to reduce the pressure of the well before they can do anything about changing the BOP or plugging the well and that's where the relief well comes in.

[madison069]

Here is the currently situation
http://images.rigzone.com/images/news/library/other/1/6757.jpg

[madison069]

This is a BOP, it consist of a Annular BOP which control the flow around the pipe by hydraulic pressure in a balloon around the pipe, then there's the pipe ram where it will seal around the pipe to control flow around the pipe, making it easier to just pinch the pipe and the well will be shut in, then there's the Blind ram that shears the pipe and seal the well in regardless of what happens.

http://www.otcnet.org/2009/pages/spotlight/images/CAM_BOP_Stack_small.jpg

[Rebel Son]

Also the BOP is on the pipe at the ocean floor, not on the rig. It is physically attached the the surface casing which is what the intermediate casing is cemented to on the inside of the surface casing. Then the Production casing is cemented to the intermediate casing creating a sealed system. But they have to reduce the pressure of the well before they can do anything about changing the BOP or plugging the well and that's where the relief well comes in.

Thanks for the explanation, Madison. That does make me feel a little bit better. I actually chuckled when Obama said he ordered them to drill 2 relief wells, instead of just one. :lol: It was kind of like saying, "Nothing else has gone right in this whole operation, so we'd better plan on this to fail, too." :lol:

I didn't realize the Coast Guard was not supposed to try to put out the fire. Shouldn't they have been trained on that, at some point? :?